durability and noise of kick mesh head of 2box

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hi there.after my kick mod (still no photos, i promise i will post some soon), the kick paddoesnt vibrate at all. but today i noticed a small hole in 2box kick mesh head
before i used the pearl eliminator powershifter, beater and the felt made really easy a hole. now i used the 2box beater and again a hole. in 2 months time, while also i didnt play much.
i had bought a falam by remo, but the bad thing is that with the falam it is way too noisy.same goes if i use the plastic side of eliminator beater.
so i am a bit sad. any beater will feck up the mesh? and if you use falam, you have noise?

i am trying to find the best solution. i then came across these

http://www.drum-tec.de/drumtec-design-serie-14-mesh-drum-head-ohne-logo-p-1557.html
i contacted them and they promised they are super quiet. and for 34 euros theyd better be as they say. and the say that they are very durable

and i am also thinking to get these beaters
http://www.drum-tec.de/drumtec-soundabsorbingbeater-p-1574.html

but overall thing will cost 100 euros. is it worth it? any other combination you have in mind?
should i just buy a mesh head for 10 euros and simply change it every 2 months or so? any ideas? thanx

ps. since i am going to spend, do you agree that perhaps i shpuld change the snare mesh to have less rebound?

[Jman]

I've been using kick patches on all my mesh head kicks for many, many years. I would never recommend playing a mesh head kick without a patch. I've seen way too many holes in kick drum mesh on the forums over the years. This has been discussed since the first mesh head edrums came out. This is what I use, thin, quiet as mesh and they do their job. They come in single or double pedal type:
http://www.amazon.com/Evans-Double-Pedal-Patch-Black/dp/B0002D0DWK

[edtc]

Hi BA

    I simply use a piece of strong GAFFA TAPE  , and i ll change it when it s too old ... use it for 6 month and still ok ... my beater is a standard felt one ...

  ...gaffa tape is cheaper than a Fallam , and also lot less noisier ...

for even less noise ,you can  add a little piece of soft rubber foam , with strong double sided tape  to the Gaffa patch or directly to the beater ... 

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very interesting posts. and they save me about 100 euros!!!
the remo falam i have is too noisy
is there a link for gaffa tape to see it? cause i dont know what it is. apparently my english still sucks!!!
thanx guys

[edtc]

is there a link for gaffa tape to see it? cause i dont know what it is. apparently my english still sucks!!!
thanx guys

.........Yes ,here is a link..... http://www.google.com       ..... just kidding  ....a bit

It s simply this :



... a roll cost about 5 to 15 € , depending on the quality .... sure you ll find some in Greece , it s used by cinema , music companies  .... even serial killers use some , like dexter

   if not , thomann or musicstore have some too ...

Have a nice day

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ahh ok now i get it. i think ill try the evans falam first.6 euro and it is near me available. if it is still noisy ill go for  gaffaa tape. if i am not satisfied, oh well i am on a spreading spree. take care guys thanx

[orly]

I have just replace my kick drum head because of a crack in it for a drumtec design and it's a little noisier than the stock 2box mesh head. I think I'm gonna buy a patch too to prevent another crack.

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wow please tell me more about drumtech design. 2ply mesh heads are supposed to be noisier. is it much more noisy or just a bit more? i mean i get complains only when i hit cymbals from my mom.(and now that i use the falam as well) i mean if i use it , still it will be ok, just a tiny bit more noisy or it is gonna be a problem? also how about the rebound? thanx for the response

[edtc]

I have a DDT 2 ply , and it is a bit noisier , and with less rebound than the  single ply Tdrum  i had before... the sound is more treble than the single one....

Try the soft rubber on the beater .... maybe add some rubber foam under the rack's feet and the kick pedal to stop vibrations ... 

alsowhen your mom s here , you could play with rods or those silent sticks that someone spoke about last week ...

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the drumtech design should be less noisy than ddt or tdrum. or so they said to me. thats why i would like the other guy to answer it.... i play with tennis ball beatersill try the evans patch to see what comes, but since the other guy mentioned he had what i wanted i thought id throw one more last question. thanx edtc

ps. no way i am changing my sticks. i want to practise not ruin it for me....love my sticks

[rythm]

I use Evan´s patch as Jman recommended and it´s great - about 8-10 euros.
I was thinking the other day if those plastic shields you put on mobile phones (and rear front of cars) could work. A bit more expensive, but thin, soft and at the same time very strong.

[orly]

wow please tell me more about drumtech design. 2ply mesh heads are supposed to be noisier. is it much more noisy or just a bit more? i mean i get complains only when i hit cymbals from my mom.(and now that i use the falam as well) i mean if i use it , still it will be ok, just a tiny bit more noisy or it is gonna be a problem? also how about the rebound? thanx for the response

It's noisier than single ply but less than cymbals I think. As EDTC said the sound is treblier in comparaison with single ply.

[digitalDrummer]

We have done two mesh head comparisons in digitalDrummer, measuring noise, rebound and playability. Those were based on a 12" snare, but the results reflect bigger sizes as well.

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i just bought a used 12 drume tec design mesh for snare and a roland 14 mesh for kick

the drum tech has better rebound than the 2box mesh, but is way louder and has a kind of buzz (which i guess is typical for 2ply mesh heads). the roland has also these things and is also better with more accurate and close to real thing, rebound.

i have both mesh heads tight really well, as  i want my snare tight like on real thing, and also accurate kicking. no bigger rebound than i am supposed to have.
some questions. am i overdoing it? i want to be as close as to real acoustic drums. are snares supposed to be thaaaat tight? should i losen it a bit?
what about kick drums?should the beater sink in the head ot should the head be really tight? advise me please with what real drums would be./ also another question. does roland 2ply head need also a falam to put so that the tennis ball beaters dont break it? or are 2ply heads nearly indestructible? thank you

[edtc]

HI BA

i think it s better for triggering to have a tight head ... for kick and snare...

just be carefull not to tight it too much , maybe it could damage the screws...

2 plys are strong .... but it s better to put a protection where the beater hits...